Malossi Hyper Racing Ciao

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Smaller than 19mm seems possible, but 2mm larger than the manifold? Thats weird.
Maybe the mhr engine owners(japie, vespaflappie) can tell us a little about it.

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Edjuh :
Smaller than 19mm seems possible, but 2mm larger than the manifold? Thats weird.
Maybe the mhr engine owners(japie, vespaflappie) can tell us a little about it.

Yeah, check out the partnumber on 50cc.nl – 18610.

But also, smaller than 19mm seems kind of wierd because it would be space between the manifold and the carb? Well, hope japie or vespaflappie sees this and maybe they can enlighten us :con

But Edjuh, which krukas do you have to the engine? Malossi or Mazzuchelli?

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I have a mazzuchelli, and im going to try a regular one in my evo engine(somebody told my it worked quite well even though it isn’t ideal).

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The Problem with The Malossi MHR Engine isn’t the manifold, you can get that with no problems…

The real problem is that the Carburator that is specially made for the Malossi Engine isn’t available anymore! They took it out of production 3 years ago….

Its an special 19 phbg Ds from Dell’orto, the normal hasn’t got the 2 bolt fix…You do can make some kind of own manifold by taking a malossi manifold for an peugeot buxy….

The only carburator you’re getting is an 17mm Phbg Dell’orto, It costs about 114 Euro’s in combination with an Malossi Red Filter and a Manifold….

I didn’t took this because I didn’t want a Carburator less than 19mm…

But I’m convinced that even an MHR engine with a 17mm carburator is faster than an Evo Engine(and than Thing can fly like hell!)..

I think you’d better fix an home made manifold if you want a bigger carburator….

I even thought about an 21mm carburator(and take a Peugeot Buxy/speedake/zenith manifold), The engine van handle that amount of gasoline easily,but ‘I wsn’t sure about the Deps Cilinder, the singel intake port isn’t that big, in fact it’s rather small….

I don’t believe that 1 port can feed all those ports(There aren’t almost any blind ports so they must get gasoline to work)

I hope you got enough info, if you got anymore questions, ask and I will try to answer them properly:)

Succes!

Edit: Fuck!,Edjuh I’m sorry, I forgot to post your deps! I will doe it tomorrow….I’m pretty busy with my Aprillia RS…

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Iam sure the polini is slower because of the cilinder. Still you get like 19mm on your evo engine wich is pretty fast.

Flappke you had both engines or not, you went allot faster with the malossi engine?

To bad they don’t have some sort of carter wich you can put a scooter cilinder on 😀 ( not sprocatti of 1280 euro)

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Hmmm thats bad news about the carb! Maybe some shops have some left, after all the mhr engine itself isn’t made anymore either.

Well then I reaaaaaaaly hope J@pie can hustle some more of these: >CLICK<
Thanks in advance there japie 😉

@ Hans yeah flap had both the engine’s, and the new simonini has 4 “tapeinden” as well so maybe scootcil’s are also ‘mountable’.

@Flap, o yeah no problem, as long as i get it:)

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So, Vespaflappie, you’re saying that the intake manifold on 50cc (part number 18610) doesn’t fit a 19 mm carburator? 🙁

Because I e-mailed 50cc and specificly asked if that manifold could fit the same carburator that comes with the Evo engine and they answered yes.. So now I’ve just ordered it and then I see here that it doesn’t fit? 🙁

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Has someone got a picture of the special PHBG mounting flange? I’ve maybe got an idea to fix that little problem. Maybe a carb from a Honda MB will fit, those have a two bolt mounting flange as well.

grz Thijs

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[url]http://www.50cc.nl/plaatje2.asp?Img=18610.jpg[/url]

So, Vespaflappie, you’re saying that the intake manifold on 50cc (part number 18610) doesn’t fit a 19 mm carburator?

Only the one specificly made for this manifold/flange(?).

The evo carb won’t fit just like that either, did they really told you so?? And did you order a new 19mm(evo) carb?

That sucks, maybe the manifold/flange can be adjusted so it does fit, but the 50cc.nl people dissappoint me!!

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Edjuh :
[url]http://www.50cc.nl/plaatje2.asp?Img=18610.jpg[/url]

The evo carb won’t fit just like that either, did they really told you so?? And did you order a new 19mm(evo) carb?

That sucks, maybe the manifold/flange can be adjusted so it does fit, but the 50cc.nl people dissappoint me!!

No, I didn’t order the evo-carb yet but I ordered the crankcase and the manifold..

But they really told me that the 19mm evo-carb should fit on that intake.

Here’s the e-mail conversation:

Our first e-mail to 50cc:

—–Original Message—–
From: dirty_devil85@hotmail.com [mailto:dirty_devil85@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 11:19 PM
To: info@50cc.nl
Subject: Vraag algemeen

Naam: Emily Ottosson
Email: dirty_devil85@hotmail.com
Land: se

Merk/type:Vespa Ciao –

Art.nr.: 15884

Vraag: Hello!

I would like to order the Malossi Race Crankcase (partnumber 15884) from
you, but I have a questions I was hoping you could answer first.

Do you have any carburator-kit for that crankcase? For example 17 or 19
mm carburator? And if you do, how much would it cost?

Hope to hear from you!

Best regards!
/Emily & Christopher

This is the answer I got:

Från: 50CC.nl – Parts v.o.f.
Skickat: den 15 maj 2006 19:18:51
Till:
Ämne: RE: Vraag algemeen

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Hej Emily

The carb you can take a PHBG carb..and you only need to buy this part extra
to make it work
# 18610

With kind regards.
Med vänliga hälsningar.

Karin

http://www.50cc.nl
info@50cc.nl
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The place where all your parts come true….
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This is what I e-mailed back:

—–Original Message—–
From: Emily Ottosson [mailto:dirty_devil85@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 10:30 PM
To: info@50cc.nl
Subject: RE: Vraag algemeen

Hello again!

Thank you for your answer!
Does the partnumber 18610 mean that the intake is 19mm or that the
carburator should be 19mm? Does a PHBG 19mm carburator fit on that intake,
so I can use the same 19mm carburator as the one on the Polini Evolution
Engine?

Best regards!
Emily Ottosson

And this is their answer:

Från: 50CC.nl – Parts v.o.f.
Skickat: den 25 maj 2006 08:35:28
Till: “‘Emily Ottosson'”
Ämne: RE: Vraag algemeen

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Hello Emily

The intake is 19
And you can fitt carbs from 16 till 21 on that intake.

So yes you can fitt that carb 🙂

With kind regards.
Med vänliga hälsningar.

Karin

http://www.50cc.nl
info@50cc.nl
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The place where all your parts come true….
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Some changes and new pictures… 8)

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very nice..
I hope you’re done by 23th of july for the meating..
keep us updated, I’m sure it will become very nice like all your ciao’s!!
good luck with it..

you’re proberly never coming to holland to show us your ciao, are you?
because we’re having a meeting in Groningen (in the north of holland)
on the 5th of august..

I’m sure a lot of people would like to meat you and your ciao in real life..

Welkom op ons forum!
Breng een bezoekje aan mijn Ciao project.

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Uw…. aa-t he’s from sweden.

And meat he’s not going to eat something its “meet”.

Cool project millen looking forward to see it completed.

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AA-T: Thanks, I hope it will be done before july 23, but it’s gonna be tight 😉

It would be awesome to come to your meeting, maybe we’ll be there. I don’t know how far away it is from Sweden, but I’ll look in to it. If I can manage to get my drivers licens before august 5 there’s a chance we’ll be there 😀

hansieb Thank you, I’ve ordered a Malossi Too Bad from mopshop now so I hope it will be here in 2 weeks. And as soon as i get the paychech (june 25) i’ll order everything else that I need for the Ciao to be complete 🙂

[Jelle89]

i think is awesome:|:P i like it, and i wou like the same as Hansieb: i’m looking forward to see it completed:D

[Gebruiker]

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