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  • #144368

    Coolvette
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      Hi all,
      I am new here, come from Sweden and I will modify a Super Bravo to be a good accelerator, I don´t care much for top speed.

      Can you please advice me on how to open the inlet port inside the crank case to allow more fuel to get in there?
      I am aware of that too much opening will spoil it so I better ask before I ruin it.

      I would like to see some pictures and mesaures over how much it can be opened here.

      Thanx in advance

      #146250

      ! Joor !

        this is what you’ll have to do, althou the how to is made for an dr evo 43mm cilinder.

        http://www.vespa-ciao.nl/page.php?id=187

        #146252

        woetie93
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          Welcome to the Vespa-ciao forum.
          I think this one will help: click!

          #146247

          Coolvette
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            Great guides, both of them!!!

            I´m glad the winter is ahead of me, I will make this in my own time.

            In fact, I do have an Dr Evo 43 mm cylinder so I find this very useful.

            A question about the modified crankshaft:
            I might buy a TopRacing crankshaft to put in my engine.
            Will the opening timings on that crank be like the modified stock crankshaft above?

            #146253

            ritze
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              dont do it you wil get something like this

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              #146254

              keltow
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                The TopRacing Crankshaft will brake in no time. A real waste of money.
                It’s best you modify an original piaggio crankshaft, these last forever.

                43mm cilinder = 4.3×((0.25×π)×4.3^(2)) = 62,45cc
                #146255

                Coolvette
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                  ritze :
                  dont do it you wil get something like this

                  Shit!!!
                  I´m convinced to leave that alone…

                  By the way, how does the Ciao engine respond to a lighter flywheel?

                  My plan is to build a light machine for dragracing over a 75 meter race track.
                  The setup this far is a Dr Evo 43 mm cylinder, a Polini Top One exhaust, a Malossi variator.
                  The carb will be a 17 mm Bing, just for the easy finetuning and I plan to use E85 for fuel.
                  My plan is also to remove the lightcoil from the engine and also mill off the cooling fins on the flywheel.
                  As I only will race for a short distance I don´t think it will overheat without the cooling fins.
                  The E85 will combust at a lower temperature but I´m a bit concerned to find a good oil to mix in the E85.

                  So some questions:
                  How will the engine respond to a lighter flywheel?

                  Is the flywheel from a CDI engine equal to a pointer flywheel?

                  Have you ridden on E85? What oil do you recommend to mix?

                  Anything else I need to consider?

                  #146256

                  Martino
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                    – Lighter flywheel; is quicker pickup of the engine and little bit faster acceleration.

                    – Electronic flywheel(+1kg) is much heavier then that of an pointer flywheel(somewhere between 700 and 1000 grams)

                    – No experiences with this kind of fuel.

                    #146257

                    Coolvette
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                      Martino :
                      – Lighter flywheel; is quicker pickup of the engine and little bit faster acceleration.

                      – Electronic flywheel(+1kg) is much heavier then that of an pointer flywheel(somewhere between 700 and 1000 grams)

                      – No experiences with this kind of fuel.

                      – Maybe this topic will interest you? Unfortunately all in dutch but this could be a perfect idea for you drag races.

                      Thanks for reply, too bad my knowledge in dutch is a bit too low for tht link.

                      How is the ignition point determined on a CDI flywheel?
                      Is it possible to use a pointer flywheel on a CDI engine, will it fit and work?

                      #146258

                      ritze
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                        it is deremined with the pick up, but there is not much you can alter, i think that the timing is not so bad.
                        E85 fuel has a low octane count, witch not improves the performanse of youre engine, try racing fuel instead
                        like octane 100+

                        17mm carb is not going to fit a normal block, it only fits a speed engine, reedvalve, of evo engine.
                        flywheel can be lightend but removing the fins is causing a very hot cilinder witch doesn`t improve performanse

                        unless you make it h20 cooled like this:

                        De budget beun tjoener: geen geld is te duur of het werkt nog niet
                        Link naar Mijn collectie / Projecten.
                        #146259

                        Coolvette
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                          ritze :
                          dont do it you wil get something like this

                          Does anyone know of the quality of Pinasco crankshafts?
                          Are they as fragile as the Top Racings shown in the picture?

                          #146289

                          ritze
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                            the pinasco`s are much better in durability so breaking wil not be an issue 😀

                            De budget beun tjoener: geen geld is te duur of het werkt nog niet
                            Link naar Mijn collectie / Projecten.
                            #146290

                            Coolvette
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                              ritze :
                              the pinasco`s are much better in durability so breaking wil not be an issue 😀

                              OK, great to hear.
                              I will take advantage of the drilled tap and also use the full round crank to fill the crankcase.

                              Thanks for your feedback.

                              #146305

                              Kamelen
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                                E85 has a Octanevalue of 104 RON while “normal” fuel has 98 octane so yes , it should higher the performance of your engine

                                // Sebbe @ MNF

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