Battery on ciao

[2econdskinTopic starterBerichten: 7]

Hello all

I need to mount a battery on my scooterproject.
Is there any guides or how-to in here anyone could give me a link to 🙂 ….

I need to run a fan in the small engine cover to make sure the speedengine is cooled sufficient, and i thought there wouldent be enough power from the 12v lightcoil on the engine to run :
Light hi/low
Rearlight
Brakelighg
Buzzer/horn
ATV fan

So my plan was to convert the system from 12v AC to 12v DC. yo get a steady powerflow , to all my electric components.

Does anyone have some ideas or guides to make that happen ?

Is there any thing that might ruin the setup or otherwise spoil the idea 😀

Regards
Sune , denmark

[bartklumpenaarBijdragerBerichten: 198]

Do you want to charge the battery by your scooter?

Then you need a charge regulator so the battery isn’t overcharged.
and you must place a CONDENSATOR parallel on the direct current plugs.

[ritzeBijdragerBerichten: 3421]

you need a :

-rectifier
-capacitor
this is your conversion system

you will need a strong battery
maybe 5 Ah or something,

and something what controls the charging of your battery.

normal electric ciao engine produces like 35-40 watts divided by 2 cables. (or 3)
normal contact pont wil deliver about 22watts so keep in mind that you don`t exeed your power demand

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[CoolvetteBijdragerBerichten: 107]

Couldn´t you just run the ligths and the fan from the stator without a battery?

Most likely you would need a regulator like this one: http://www.24mx.se/mc/p/laddningsregulator-12v-ac-150-watt/15474/belysning-och-blinkers/k261/regulatorer,-relan-och-motstand/s662

If you don´t regulate the voltage you will probably burn out of a lot of bulbs and the fan too.

[ritzeBijdragerBerichten: 3421]

your battery keeps voltage down, unles youre charging it,
my systems puts out 13.7 volts when charging the battery`s.

if you want to use a restrictor then it has to come after the rectifier and before the battery.
but you wil lose 1 volt restricting it. so 14 volts will become 13 and than restricted to 12.5 or what ever,

and by the way, my reedvalve puts out 26 volts at stationairy with no power taken from it.

De budget beun tjoener: geen geld is te duur of het werkt nog niet
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[2econdskinTopic starterBerichten: 7]

Hmmmmm theres is more than one selution i understand 🙂 …

I quess if it ks possible to run both fan and light without putting a battery on, then that would be the easiest thing to do.
But i cant harm the light coil in the electronic ignition system with thos setup ?

If i decide to mount the battery , would the setup after your advice,be like this ?:

+Cord from light-coil stator –> recitifier —> capasitor(condenser)—>regulator/restrictor?—> battery +pol —- >cord to electrical curquit on scooter and one cord to fan

– cord to battery —-> recitifier —-> -pol on battery —-> -cord on fan ?

OR

-cord to battery —-> directly on -pole on battery

Yes the system should charge the battery while running and deliver 12v dc to the electrical curcuit and fan.

Wont the recitifief, regulator and condenser eat all the volt , leaving me unable to charge the battery ?
And how do i know which condenser and regulator i should bye ?

Im looking forward to youre help , its super cool with your input… Thanks 🙂

[belikewaterBijdragerBerichten: 40]

Keep in mind that I have not yet tested this idea (hopefully tomorrow I finally have the time) but you could try a regulator/rectifier combo from a scooter. It looks like this:

You can try to hook it up to your dynamo (alternator actually, it’s AC power you get)

Ritze, I’m curious if you think this idea will work well. Or is something else needed to control the charging? You have a working battery charging system right?

[2econdskinTopic starterBerichten: 7]

hi again

thx for the advice all, i have succesfully made a set-up that works, and have worked daily for almost a week now.

i used ritzes advise (thank you very much, i had never made this happen without your info.), and bought an combined recitifier/regulator from a aprilia sonic : http://www.thansen.dk/product.asp?c=6265842987&n=1709640338&pn=1709642700

this delivered from the outlet on the regulator 13v DC , which is enough to charge a battery.From the battery i have power to run the lights, horn, fan and LED-light in the dashboard. So far its seems to be working fine, the fan runs constantly, but i have thought about puttin a switch on it, then i will be able to shut it on/off at my wish :):)

the whole set-up is like this:
+wire from light-coil—–>plugged in the regulator—>from the regulator comes new +wire, with DC-power—-> mount +wire on the +side on the battery——>from the +pole on the battery, plug in the light curcuit or whatever you want.

the -side of the battery dosent need any regulator or recitifier,just connect the -pole to the enginge-block or the frame.

i hope this can help anyone else, who would like a little ekstra light, maybe even a ipod-dock or whatever you can think off 😀

best regards
sune, Århus, Denmark

[ritzeBijdragerBerichten: 3421]

mine is diffrent,

i have got:
rectifier with + and – connected at the battery itselve not using a mass type of thing.

uuhm i think 13 volts is a little low to charge 12 volt batt. normally you charge 1 cell at 1.6 volts
so 10battery`a wil be like 16 volts.
but it wil give some power to battery, maybe you can messure the amp flowing to the battery wile giving it some revs.

schould be around 1.5 a 3 amps 😛 or even more, when i was using a small battery it charged fully in like 30 minutes. and the went very hot 😛

De budget beun tjoener: geen geld is te duur of het werkt nog niet
Link naar Mijn collectie / Projecten.

[belikewaterBijdragerBerichten: 40]

It´s good to hear that your battery is working. Now I know that I can also just buy a regulator-rectifier for a scooter and install it.

I´m just doubting whether my engine produces enough volts. I have a completely standard ciao with electronic ignition. Some say this produces 12v. std, others say just 6v like the older contact/points ignition systems.

Is your battery also charging while idle, or only during high RPM?

[Gebruiker]

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