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  • #144252

    Piet30
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      hello,
      I got funny 2-gear Bravo components. It is a complete 2-gear drive from a Bravo with gearbox, clutch, hand shifter, krukas and some rolls and drive belt.

      I’m now looking for every piece of information I could get about that drive system.

      Such like, what gear ratio do the two gears have, how does it work, how to tune it, does it fit into a Ciao……

      So every info or picture about that drive is welcome :thumb

      #145773

      ciaohorst
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        Nice!

        #145774

        Leovince
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          Vincent has it done on his Ciao. But he had to fusing his frame. He has a special or perso on this site with pictures.

          #145775

          Piet30
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            yes, I thought so to modify the Ciao frame.

            Good advice :thumb I will check Vincent’s perso

            #145776

            Leovince
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              Here’s the special btw. [url]http://vespa-ciao.nl/forums.php?m=posts&q=10382[/url]

              #145777

              Piet30
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                bedankt man :bier

                I was looking for it but could not find it.

                #145778

                tieees
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                  bedankt man, en daarna ineens engels, is hij nou engels/nederlands (srry voor off-topic.)

                  4-spaaks velg met zo’n kleurtje ziet er btw best gaaf uit (moet die nog wel ff wat beter gespuit worden)

                  #145779

                  tnerual
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                    dude nice!! keep it, and don’t give up;)

                    Some time ago i started a topic about the 2-speed, because i was really wondering how it worked.. i asked some extra infromation , also some ”historical” truths ;):)

                    here the link
                    http://vespa-ciao.nl/forums.php?m=posts&q=19807&n=last

                    congrats, again 😉

                    #145781

                    Martino
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                      Hi piet, out the top of my head; the gear ratio’s should be around 1:16,5 for first gear and 1:11(1:9,5) for second gear. But this is also simply to find when turning the wheel around and count how many times your clutch will go round. Keep in mind that these ratio’s don’t do any good when comparing to the conventional poulie system. Because of the different diameters in clutch and forpoulie.
                      It also looks like you’ve got the whole complete system wich is very rare to find. :thumb
                      Only thing to worry about is the crank. It looks like it has the timigs for a “snorkruk”

                      #145782

                      Piet30
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                        yes, saw the gear ratios. :thumb

                        If I compare this with Vario and Malossi vertanding the 2-gear system may have advantages =)

                        Right, the kruk looks like a snorkurk. As I don’t want to modify the kruk I thought putting it in an membran block like Polini EVO or ReedValve. 😀

                        #145783

                        tnerual
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                          i posted a comment on the 2gear project.. i was wondering why Vincent suddenly stopped 😛

                          It’s amazing how much rare parts are mounted on his ciao

                          -polini 41 lc complete
                          -the radiator
                          -2Gear
                          -Kickstarter
                          -rear brake with foot 😀

                          hope your 2Spead will work great, one day 😉

                          #145784

                          Piet30
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                            hehehe, that is crazy, I also thought about to put my Polini LC kit on a Polini Evo for that project 😀

                            Was Vincent’s 2-gear Ciao with LC engine running fast? And why was he using the big diameter pouly on the kruk?

                            I think with that big diameter the ratio in second gear could be much to long. 😮

                            #145785

                            Martino
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                              I thought Vincent was using this modified clutch as pouly simply because he had not the original crank an pouly.
                              I also thought about using this 2 gear crank in an membran block or to press this axel in another crank with better timings.

                              And yes somewhere in his perso(vincent) is a movie at wich you clearly can hear the ratio is to long for second gear.

                              #145786

                              tnerual
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                                Martino, that’s true 😉

                                @ Piet: hehe, i think he’ll be happy with our comments, so maybe he’ll pick everything up again.. fingers crossed XD

                                #145787

                                speedbuxy
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                                  Martino :
                                  I thought Vincent was using this modified clutch as pouly simply because he had not the original crank an pouly.

                                  I have bougth the 2speed set from vincent some year ago, and by this set came also a couple of orginal poeli,s and a orginal crank(with brom timing if I remember it right)
                                  But he was riding with a normal vespa crank becourse he had modified a back poeli from the 2speed by forcing in a inerpart of normal clutch from vespa.
                                  (A bit difficult to say in englisch:D)
                                  And that he had no speed in gear 2 lays in the fact that he had not enough power in his engine, I will bett that my 43mm euro block will take that second gear easy:thumb

                                  EDIT
                                  Here some pics of the modified clutch/poeli


                                  For montage you need a (vleugelmoer) and than welt that to the poeli.
                                  And that works fine where vincents words.

                                  And my crank is also a snor crank I quess?

                                  But special thing about this crank was that it is a kick crank:thumb
                                  (at least vincent was saying that it was very rare)

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